Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

http://www.robbiefulks.com/blog/posts/217-there-is-no-overcoming-illiteracy

So this car I got has Sirius radio, which I'm pretty new to. Every day I turn it on for 10 or 15 minutes while I'm dropping the kids off at a game or going to the hardware store. Mostly I listen to country -- they have eight country formats, twice as many formats as a traditional country song has chords. One of them is called "Outlaw Country," where the playing, relative to the more commercial formats, tends to be a little sloppy and out-of-tune. (My guess is that someone once told these guys, "You can't do that," and they misunderstood the "can't.") The lyrics to Outlaw Country songs are often boastful, as in "I'm more violent than you," or "I'm more messed-up and victimized by life than you," or "I am drunker than you," or any of the other things that ignorant people and slacker songwriters like to pat themselves on the back about. Needless to say, in another confirming instance of the Groucho Marx clubmember rule, "Outlaw Country" is the only satellite station that plays my music. So I listen in from time to time, to hear not only my songs but those of my friends (two of whom, Elizabeth Cook and Dallas Wayne, are DJ personalities as well).

This morning I heard a song that caught my ear because it sounded imitative of David Mead, both the singing style and the exact melody line. I like David Mead, and would rather hear someone aping him than some other random song, so I settled into the tune with interest. But it quickly devolved into an indigestible hash of "poetic" images cribbed from the Townes Van Zandt playbook, and crowned, midway through the song, by the outrageously jarring couplet: "I met Percy and married her in July/But if only to be closer to you, Caroline." Really -- "if"?

Turns out the singer was Mr. Ryan Adams of North Carolina. I've criticized this songwriter in the past, and don't intend stopping now, not as long he keeps popping up before me in the privacy of my car with his tone-deaf, noisily plagiaristic, unbelievably pretentious music. He's been in the game now for a good 15 years. Shouldn't he have something to show for all his age and experience? Well, he does seem to be getting better -- copy David Mead more, is my advice -- but not better enough. I think he should make an all-out effort to be good, or just accept that he's bad, and roll with it. There's a lot of bad singer-songwriters out there -- being bad is really the default mode after all; I've made records I'd just as soon haul off to Yucca Mountain. It's this being bad in such a mopey Iowa Writers Workshop way, compounded with an inattention to self-editing that amounts to contempt for his audience, topped with the horseshit public pose -- hair over eyes, cigarette in mouth, model in bed, gun on nightstand -- that rises to the level of a threat. It's musical acid rain. As a former North Carolinian, I am sincerely aghast and I apologize to the planet.

Speaking of threats, the admirers of Mr. Adams, who in the past have responded energetically to my expressed distaste for his droppings, might be interested to know that for every "shame-on-you" I receive from them, I get one private thank-you from someone who has played with, shared a stage with, or promoted Mr. Ryan Adams. I hope that if I've planted a seed of doubt in any of his fans' minds that they might give some of the subjects of his colonial misrule a try: Gram Parsons, Kris Kristofferson, Townes Van Zandt, Rodney Crowell, Guy Clark, the Rolling Stones, and Bob Dylan. Not all those guys are to my exact taste, but at least they came up with something fresh and personal, and worked to make it sharper.

"I parked my car and turned the radio off/But if only to be farther from you, Ryan."

Or am I just ornery this morning?

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Funny, I've never thought much of Fulks. I find his output, well...derivative, and often uninspired. He's not much of a boundry stretcher. I'm not sure bout this David Mead song he refers to, but maybe someone here can find it.

I guess lots of Ryan's fans have never heard of the list of musicians Fulk's cites, but around here, that's not the case.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:18:44 PM

He's kinda silly. He also did not live in Creedmoor, NC long enough to be from here. What a dick. He's still jealous after all this time. I bet you could find people who have worked with who talk shit about him.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

He left out Van Morrison, Neil Young, Prince, The Band and several others Ryan has lifted from.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:21:38 PM

Talking about not believing Ryan Adams. I had to stop on his hardware store bit and think about that. Ha

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

How could he miss the Dead?

FWIW I never thought much of that Carolina Rain either--too rambling, unfocused and attempting to be dense.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

His albums do tend to be jokey and derivative, but he is an incredibly talented musician. His shows are usually 10 dollars or under so they are worth checking out.

I'm not sure what his issue with Adams is though.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:24:46 PM

I heard a bartender, musician guy at the bar where supposadly Ryan wrote some of Heartbreaker say Ryan was the worlds best cover artist and also that it freaked him out as a musician himself that Ryan could sit there a write as fast as he could but he told me the damn guy has all the instruments and the whole song in his head as well. In other words a huge compliment.

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FWIW I never thought much of that Carolina Rain either--too rambling, unfocused and attempting to be dense.


I love that song, but I also love Strawberry Wine, which has the same time of rambling you described.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:27:25 PM

Is Robbie Fulks still on Heartbreaker/Bloodshot Records?

lol

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 3/15/11 2:27:46 PM

Let's Kill Saturday Night is a fantastic album.

This review of Carolina Rain seems a bit childish, more inspired by envy than anything else.

robbie is a class guy. I know more than a dozen people, including my brother and several other singer-songwriters who have worked with him...all have had NOTHING but great things to say about him. And did I just seriously read a ryan adams fan call another artist derivative? Funniest thing I'll read all week!!

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:29:40 PM

Virg. Please post a link Fulks blog you know where. Thanks.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 2:31:20 PM

"robbie is a class guy" (unless you actually don't know the definition of what you're speaking of)

sounds more like he's secretly pissed he isn't on the radio

song may be bad. dude may not like Ryan Adams.


but he's classless and with less to show than DRA...fair or not

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:32:34 PM

"robbie is a class guy."

shhh. he wants this to go viral so he can get some people out to his shows.

what was it a few years ago he wanted people to go to Ryan Adams shows and do? Yell out Brian Adams songs? He offered them free swag from his shit if they would? something like that right?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 2:33:13 PM

probably was down on page views and needed some ryan adams fans to come over and give him something to live for

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  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 2:33:54 PM

wow

and AWU and I are on the same page for the FIRST TIME EVER

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I don't think Fulks is jealous of Adams. I think it irks him that RyRy acts like a bitch to his fans.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 2:34:50 PM

it really doesn't surprise me either that "Idon'tbelieveyou" thinks this douche is a ...stand up guy

...a real gentlemen

...the best of the bunch

...mighty white


all while he trashes another artist

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Hey Idontbelieveyou--

Go fuck yourself. I didn't say Ryan wasn't derivative, so don't read into my posts you prick.

I also didn't call Robbie anything bad, just gave my opinion as to why, after 15 years, I've never really warmed up to his music, not for lack of trying.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:37:09 PM

Some of you guys are like some of Ryan's old Raleigh acquaintances and band mates in that you will talk shit about him all day long like he's your little brother but don't dare let anyone else or you'll kick their ass.

It's kinda cute really. I said cute?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 2:38:21 PM

again

i'm not debating whether he's right in disliking the song...


i'm debating whether he's a douche for writing about it on his personal blog to drum up attention

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: nick
  • 3/15/11 2:38:22 PM

"I hope that if I've planted a seed of doubt in any of his fans' minds that they might give some of the subjects of his colonial misrule a try: Gram Parsons, Kris Kristofferson, Townes Van Zandt, Rodney Crowell, Guy Clark, the Rolling Stones, and Bob Dylan. Not all those guys are to my exact taste, but at least they came up with something fresh and personal, and worked to make it sharper."

I love when people say shit like this. "Ok, look...I know I may have come across as a total fucking envious twat, but I hope my twatiness serves a purpose. I want my twatness to be seen for what it really is; a public service to you the reader."


Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:38:49 PM

mr703. I agree with you enough of the time. But you don't need to know when.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 2:39:53 PM

"I love when people say shit like this. "Ok, look...I know I may have come across as a total fucking envious twat, but I hope my twatiness serves a purpose. I want my twatness to be seen for what it really is; a public service to you the reader." "

hahaha


"click on my STORE tab at the top of the page"

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Robbie who?

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

10 to 1 this doesn't appear on RAA, and if it does it gets removed.

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what then is the place to write opions? since a personal blog evidently isn't appropriate...

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: nick
  • 3/15/11 2:42:58 PM

You know what? If he could have left off the homage at the end, I would have had little to no problem with the blog. It seems so disingenuous. It's the 'I do this to raise awareness' that is so fucking laughable.


Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 2:43:17 PM

no no

write them



it just doesn't lend to your opinion that he's a saint

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 2:43:26 PM

"Gram Parsons, Kris Kristofferson, Townes Van Zandt, Rodney Crowell, Guy Clark, the Rolling Stones, and Bob Dylan."

Black Dudes

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: bilo
  • 3/15/11 2:43:46 PM

One of you bastards has to be fulks-who is it?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I think the claim that he is using Ryan Adams to stir up interest in his music is false. He blogs regularly writing about everything from his music, family, literature, pop culture. I think he just wanted to write about a awkward couplet in a song by an artist he does not like.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I wonder if he liked Orion.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 3/15/11 2:46:58 PM

"Robbie who?"

Robbie Fulks, and you're really missing out if you haven't heard Let's Kill Saturday Night.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: llr
  • 3/15/11 2:48:35 PM

who?

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 3/15/11 2:49:45 PM

Fulks, Robbie.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: llr
  • 3/15/11 2:53:56 PM

seems like a real asshole with a self inflated ego.

though he does make some good points about ryan.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 3/15/11 2:56:44 PM

Real assholes with self inflated egos have been known to make great records.


Maybe saying that is a bit redundant on a former Ryan Adams message board.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: nick
  • 3/15/11 3:00:30 PM

"Real assholes with self inflated egos have been known to make great records.

I agree, but what about Robbie Fulks?


Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 3/15/11 3:01:32 PM

Him too: Let's Kill Saturday Night.

Last time I've said it.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

joost, ever hear of this guy?

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 3/15/11 3:04:40 PM

Doesn't ring a bell.

How about them Strokes? Brilliant record or what?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 3:04:46 PM

"joost, ever hear of this guy?"

kidding, right sincere?

Let's Kill Saturday Night

Oh, brother.

LLR sums it up precisely.

Wait a minute, wait a minute . . .

He just HAPPENED to blog this IMMEDIATELY after there's big Ryan Adams tour news? Coincidence?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 3:21:49 PM

"He just HAPPENED to blog this IMMEDIATELY after there's big Ryan Adams tour news? Coincidence?"

don't see that at all. maybe he just heard him on xmserious


also i don't think ryan's tour is big news. i've been hearing Prince is play in the building next door and next week.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Big sigh. Yes, Gringo. I was kidding.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 3:26:20 PM

"Big sigh. Yes, Gringo. I was kidding."

Gingo? He died. AWU was here long before Gringo. You can investigate these facts. AWU just quit using that as he did not want to asociate such a great song with is bad name so he picked Gringo. AWU just went to sleep. Gringo is dead and gone. None of this Elvis or Jesus stuff. He was not that huge. More like Biggie Smalls or Tupac.

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"He just HAPPENED to blog this IMMEDIATELY after there's big Ryan Adams tour news? Coincidence? "

He posted it on March 9th. The tour wasn't announced yet. Maybe Ryan is trying to capitalize on the press from Fulks, Robbies blog by launching a tour.

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I'm not interested in investigating anything, Memphis Jane.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 3:30:18 PM

ahh old MJ. I can't remember exactly when she came about. It was around the time Gringo started getting himslef banned by begging for it. MJ was from a Buddy/Julie Miller record from that time period.

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Or...



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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 3:34:10 PM

ha right on. fuck you Gringo. I got my fuckin' green card you bitch.

To OpenHouse . . .

Oh, I guess I thought it was today, since it was posted here today. I wasn't thinking . . .

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I've watched a few things by Robbie Fulks on youtube, and he seems pretty talented; great guitarist. I think he gives kind of a good diagnosis of what went wrong with albums like Cardinology. It's these songs that seem on the surface to be heartfelt, but you listen again and they don't even really make sense. It's like he just pulled Americana sounding words out of a hat. Whether it's classy for Fulks to call him out for it on his blog I'm not sure.

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  • Author: Pandion
  • 3/15/11 3:48:03 PM

Yeah, Fulks is the epitome of classless.

It's much more classy and admirable to talk shit about lots of different people using a pseudonym.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: nick
  • 3/15/11 3:48:35 PM

Trying to make sense of 'Carolina Rain' is part of the fun of 'Carolina Rain.'



Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Wow, Robbie Fulks. I can't imagine any artist in the past 20 years considering themselves that original, its all been done. Mr. Fulks is a roots artist in the 21st century which in and of itself is laughable. All of the comments he leveled at Ryan could just as easily be directed at Dylan but for some reason it doesn't bother people as much when Dylan's derivative.
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Ha.

Pandion makes a good point.

And are you a cross between a panda and a lion?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

It's much more classy and admirable to talk shit about lots of different people using a pseudonym.

Thanks for using your precious, once in a lifetime second ever post on the .org to tell a bunch of people they are assholes, all while using a pseudonym.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: llr
  • 3/15/11 3:52:32 PM

I've watched a few things by Robbie Fulks on youtube, and he seems pretty talented; great guitarist. I think he gives kind of a good diagnosis of what went wrong with albums like Cardinology. It's these songs that seem on the surface to be heartfelt, but you listen again and they don't even really make sense. It's like he just pulled Americana sounding words out of a hat. Whether it's classy for Fulks to call him out for it on his blog I'm not sure.

^^ this

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I love you, Highlife.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: Pandion
  • 3/15/11 3:52:55 PM

Sounds like you've been gutted by a Pandion.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: nick
  • 3/15/11 3:53:43 PM

in fairness, my name really is Nick.


Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 3/15/11 3:58:56 PM

My real name is Howgul Abul Arhu and I've mailed with most of you. Strangely enough, no one has come forward to collect the 1.5 million dollars I have offered to a brother/sister willing to help me out.

Right back at ya Wildflower

Pandion? Is that some kind of hipster nerd post-Napoleon Dynamite cross between a panda and a lion?

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Oh, that was you joost? I was very sorry to hear about your loss. As African monarchs go, I'm sure your Father was one of the least corrupt. Good luck with the ministry you are building in his honor.


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  • Author: Baffy
  • 3/15/11 4:21:40 PM

I like Robbie Fulks.

's all,
peas,
Baffy

"And her Baffy’s got arch
And her flipflop's all right"

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I like Robbie "Pandion" Fulks too.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: mr703
  • 3/15/11 4:38:50 PM

i still think this guy is a cunt


but then again....i've been calling ryan adams a cunt for years so that wouldn't prohibit me from listening to his music

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

So pandalion is some guy named Robbie Fulks?
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taste should be what prohibits you from listening to ryans music, not whether or not he's a cunt...I mean, I still read your posts

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hilarious blog

ditto llr's 'this^^'

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Hey idontbelieveyou-

I don't come over to your adult bedwetters board and tell you to wear rubber underwear beneath your star wars adult pj's, so....go eat a fart.

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How'd that fart taste?

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I like Star Wars!
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Metal? I'm only fascinated with etymology and why you're such a fart snackin' jackass.

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I don't like metal.
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For the record, "fart snackin' jackass" might be one of the coolest disses to hit the internet since 1996.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

HEY. What's wrong with Star Wars, asshole?

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Nothing, I like Star Wars.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

For the record, "fart snackin' jackass" might be one of the coolest disses to hit the internet since 1996.

I still cannot stop laughing, and I came up with it. But my modus operandi is 'do what amuses me,' so I'm no good judge.

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I'm actually a fan of both. I own all of their albums respectively. But, if I had to choose between them... I'll take Ryan Adams every time. Derivative & all.

Hell, Robbie's latest release is an entire album of him covering Michael Jackson tunes. I'd give him shit for being unoriginal. But, somehow an artist of the alt-county genre doing an entire album of Michael Jackson covers... actually does seem original. It's an OK listen.

Regardless, Robbie's a music fan just like any of us. He can trash any music he wants to. However, I can & will disagree with his assessment. I won't hold it against him though. I like his music too.

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Meh. Not even sure this rises to "tempest in teapot" level of importance.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 9:13:59 PM

Right on Jonestown. It's about the music.

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Remember the days when people listened to folk music and simply enjoyed the stories?

I'm glad those days are gone and we are now at the point where we criticize a songwriter's use of the word "if"...........

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Even though it sounds stupid, I wouldn't mind checking out that MJ cover album if I could find it anywhere. That's hilarious that the guy is going around criticizing RA when his current release is an entire album of MJ covers.
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  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 11:06:20 PM

I thought the MJ covers was long ago? WTF? Anyway him covering MJ is old news.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 3/15/11 11:11:18 PM

Ha. You can listen to lots of it on iTunes. It's called Happy. Yep it's newish. Came out in 2010. Nothing special. Or what little I heard. Does not sound like he made them his own at all.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

"you will talk shit about him all day long like he's your little brother but don't dare let anyone else or you'll kick their ass."

The Gring speaks the truth.

Robbie is taller, smarter, and funnier than Ryan Adams.

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Those are definitely the things that matter when you're listening to an artist. That's one reason I don't like Phil Collins, he's short, doesn't have a sense of humor and, oh yeah, his music sucks haha.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Yeah right, Waves. You only hate Phil Collins because Phil called Ryan a fart snackin' jackass. You're such a homer.

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Homer Simpson, no homo?
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Robbie Fulks does nothing for me. I don't mind if he talks crap, i just don't get his music.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Fulks response"

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By Robbie on March 24, 2011

I thank everyone, friend and foe, for their feedback on l'affaire Adams. In case you missed it, I posted here last week that Ryan Adams was an inept lyric writer, an unoriginal songwriter, and an artist who had so long and consistently failed to rise to either of the two categories of artistic interest -- "good" and "bad" -- that either he needed to do something different or we needed to get away fast. I also helpfully provided some examples of more creative artists in his genre that fans of his could investigate for honest comparison.

Other than one example of an inept lyric (the one that impelled me to bang my car radio with my fist and rush home to blog) I didn't give very much evidence for my assertions. A blog isn't really a court of law. Non-extraordinary claims don't need much evidence. And, in matters of taste, the formal protocols of dispute, as the Latins pronounced in one of their all-too-typical maxims that somehow manage to be both perfectly concise and utterly incomprehensible, don't apply.

Or do they? For me, the most interesting outcome of this little conversation is that it has given me the occasion to think once again (I think about this frequently) about the question of subjectivity and musical preference. Before I face that gila monster, though, let me tick off some of the less formidable arguments that have come in against "Resolved: Ryan Adams Is An Inept Lyricist, An Unoriginal Songwriter, And A Boringly Mediocre Artist."

Who The Hell Are You, And Why Should I Listen To Your Opinion? Opinions and arguments are judged by their merits, not the person presenting them. Dummy.

You're Just Jealous. I can't dispositively prove I'm not, and if you think I need to, I refer you to the brief paragraph above. Also, jealous of what? His songwriting skills? Trust me -- no. His record of bedding marvelous vixens such as Winona Ryder and Cyd Charisse? Definitely! His fame, wealth, status? Not consciously, but it's possible. This whole area is murky, partly because he's not that rich and famous and I'm not that poor and obscure. (Almost that obscure, but not as obscure as the people in comments threads on out-of-the-way websites who think I'm obscure.) And if we're going to credit the idea that what motivates less-famous people to criticize more-famous people may be jealousy, we have to credit the equally likely possibility that base motives such as brown-nosing, conformity, laziness, and even fearfulness may motivate praise that moves in the same direction on the ladder of prestige. The reviewer for your daily paper who raves about Jonathan Franzen's Freedom may have genuinely loved the book; also, he may not want to stand against the tide of consensus opinion, may want an interview opportunity with Mr. Franzen at a later time, may want to have his own novel read by Mr. Franzen and generously reviewed by his peers when it comes out, may not want to cultivate a reputation as a meanie. In short, I think this is a fruitless line of counterattack.

There's a subvariant of the you're-just-jealous school that's more interesting:

He's Richer And More Successful Than You Are, So Who Cares What You Think? I find myself somewhat sympathetic to this position. Wealth is by no means a flawless index of solid achievement, but it's a pretty decent one. And if we ascribe some sort of universal values to music which, after all, calls itself "popular," then I think we have to grant some automatic honor to those who sell a lot of records over those who sell comparatively few. The catch is that these things shift with time. If, God forbid, tomorrow Ryan loses all his assets in a fire or a stock downturn, or if, as is empirically much likelier, over the next decade or two his audience and earnings gradually dwindle, records such as Meet Whiskeytown! will remain, unaltered. So now what? Is this music suddenly less worthy than it was? I think the fact that Ryan has more money and name recognition than I do is a sign that he may indeed be better at the craft that we share, but I find myself willing to follow this line only so far. That Shania Twain's superior sales and riches elevate her artistically above Ryan I can swallow, but I'd balk at the idea that mine rank me above Skip James. And, importing the criterion into other fields, can we use comparative income data to dismiss what a small mutual fund manager has to say about Warren Buffet, a state senator about President Obama, a no-name poet about Stephen King? All in all, it seems easier to address an argument on its face.

And in a similar vein:

So-and-so [Insert Name of Globally Renowned Songwriter-Artist] Says Ryan Adams Is Great, and I'd Sooner Take His Word Than Yours. Also called "playing the Willie Nelson card." When it comes out, instinct tells me to bow my head demurely and fold my hand. But not without first saying that arguments from authority, no matter how impressive the authority, are intrinsically vulnerable. Not as vulnerable, maybe, as the argument I employed, the argument on unbridled insult, but vulnerable. One reason I won't match the authorities cited with earth-shaking hot-shots of my own is that I don't want to betray confidences. (There's a few celebrity dissenters you can easily find out there on the Internet, though.) One hotshot's word against another's, and the ground gives way, while whatever substance we were originally addressing stands unperturbed. None of this is to deny that many, many songwriters have written more and better songs than I have...only to lament Willie Nelson's lousy taste.

The counterargument to "Resolved: Ryan Adams Is A Clumsy Craftsman, An Outright Plagiarist, And Probably A Sodomite" that is of fascinating and endless interest is:

There's What You Like, And There's What I Like: Game Over. Tastes in music appear analogous to tastes in fashion or food. Why strike up an unwinnable argument against what somebody wants to eat, wear, or hear? The tastes people develop are grounded in context and unique experience. Arguing against them is not only, in the absence of truly objective standards, meaningless; it's also, given the way people assimilate and personalize brand identities (in Virginia Postrel's phrase, "I like = I am like"), kind of rude, like calling their spouses homely.

As I say, I find this point formidable, and mainly convincing. But I find everyday ground-level reasons keep me from altogether embracing a no-accounting-for-tastes philosophy, and there seems to be some science against a too-individualized understanding as well. This is where it gets most interesting to me, and where, with regrets, I have to break off for now, because I need to go practice the guitar. Back later!

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Either way Fulks is a talentless prick with a stupid face.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 4/4/11 3:52:13 PM

WGAS besides me?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Part of me thinks he may have been working on this eloquent response prior to picking Ryan Adams as his target in the original post.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Has Ryan publicly flamed a current performer in his genre based on their talent/writing rather than behavior?

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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

"Part of me thinks he may have been working on this eloquent response prior to picking Ryan Adams as his target in the original post."

He has been making fun of Ryan publicly for more than 10 years. This isn't some new gimmick to wind up Mandy Moore fans. He also makes fun of Pat Green. Why? Why not?

"Has Ryan publicly flamed a current performer in his genre based on their talent/writing rather than behavior?"

I think he sticks to being an obnoxious twat to other musicians in person.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 4/4/11 7:35:16 PM

Hot Damn. Pat Green.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

"...but not as obscure as the people in comments threads on out-of-the-way websites who think I'm obscure." Is he referencing the org?
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 4/4/11 8:01:24 PM

" Is he referencing the org?"

That was my first thought. I could read all of his stuff. I'm sure it was well though out and well written. Maybe that's why he lost me.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

I imagine he's slamming artists as disparate as Pat Green and Ryan Adams because try as he might, he can't write a memorable sing along chorus.
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Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 4/4/11 8:24:16 PM

Pat Green covered Chip Robinson. That's enough for me to think he must be right on. I think it was on a record called songs we wish we had written or somethin like that.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Ryry is now bashing fulks on facebook. Glad to see he's back into petty internet fueds.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Ryry is now bashing fulks on facebook. Glad to see he's back into petty internet fueds.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 4/5/11 11:42:00 PM

I think this is the one he is ^^^^^^talking about

Robbie Fulks will be saving his lawn-mowing allowance money for this.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

where on fb is ryry bashim him?

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

This made my day, so fucking funny

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Robbie fulks blows, just gave him a listen after I read this. Good guitar player but his songs are lame

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Robbie Fulks will be saving his lawn-mowing allowance money for this. Hahahahah

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Robbie Fulks should be a critic, not a songwriter. His critique of Ryan was as academic and sterile as his songs.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

Robbie Fulks is a talentless jackass.

His most significant contribution to the world of music is being a bookmark for bullshit middle of the road crap. The funniest thing about this tool is that he lays into Ryan Adams in a way which suggests that he see's himself as all the things he says Ryan is not yet other than playing guitar about as well as any other redneck who spends his days locked away fret-wanking his cock, his asshole and his gibson the guy blows balls. He has not a melody in him and the vocal of yogi bear high on fizzy pop.

My only suggestion to Robbie Fulks would be for him to take his head (and probable cowboy hat) out his ass before driving his kids to school.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: joost
  • 4/6/11 7:35:04 AM

Musicians should be banned from the internet. Like pedophiles from the school system. Like nick from parenthood.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

  • Author: AWU
  • 4/6/11 7:59:36 AM

"Musicians should be banned from the internet."

Most of them anyway.

Re: Robbie Fulks on Ryan Adams and Carolina Rain

"Has Ryan publicly flamed a current performer in his genre based on their talent/writing rather than behavior?"

Yeah, Jeff Tweedy to name one. Though I believe he recanted.

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